WorkingTogether

Working Together

• vegan / pro-life
• anti-gun / anti-car
• religious freedom / lgbtq freedom

Presidential Libraries

• https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/16ceng5/13_presidential_libraries_issue_rare_joint/

Concern for U.S. democracy amid deep national polarization has prompted the entities supporting 13 presidential libraries dating back to Herbert Hoover to call for a recommitment to the country’s bedrock principles, including the rule of law and respecting a diversity of beliefs.

The statement released Thursday, the first time the libraries have joined to make such a public declaration, said Americans have a strong interest in supporting democratic movements and human rights around the world because “free societies elsewhere contribute to our own security and prosperity here at home.”

“But that interest,” it said, “is undermined when others see our own house in disarray.”

The joint message from presidential centers, foundations and institutes emphasized the need for compassion, tolerance and pluralism while urging Americans to respect democratic institutions and uphold secure and accessible elections.

Vegan v. Pro-Life

• Pigs
  • Pig Puzzle: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/8f1r62/pig_puzzle/
  • Pig Friend: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/ciazd7/so_my_dad_surprised_my_sister_with_a_baby_pig_and/
  • Pig Lassie: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/cot0oi/my_pet_pig_used_to_explore_the_backyard_as_i/
  • Pig Family: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/q5gvg7/a_whole_family_of_pigs_going_on_an_adventure/
  • Pig Cat Play: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/13dn2b2/pig_playing_with_the_cats/
  • Pig Search: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/search?q=pig&restrict_sr=on
  • Pig Splash: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/pgvspr/ridiculously_happy_pigs_running_in_and_out_of_the/
  • Pig Vacuum: https://old.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/nn7bu1/pig_annoyed_by_vacuum_keeps_unplugging_it/

Anti-Gun v. Anti-Car

• Truck Size: https://old.reddit.com/r/CreationNtheUniverse/comments/16ceact/one_word_mmmerica/
• https://old.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/
• Homicide Rates: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/16lx9bh/cities_with_the_highest_homicide_rates_in_the/
• Imagine Insurance, Registration, Licensing & Testing: https://old.reddit.com/r/clevercomebacks/comments/16ptgus/kennedy_thought_she_was_onto_something_there/
  • Owning a motor vehicle does not require insurance, registration, license, or testing. (proving your ownership is a lot easier if you register it, and there is sales tax in some states)
  • Operating a motor vehicle on private property does not require insurance, registration, license, or testing. (the property owner may require any or all of those things, but the state does not mandate them)
  • Transporting a motor vehicle does not require insurance, registration, license, or testing.

Self Care v. Other Blame

The topic for this section isn't great, but I'm leaving it like that for now.

• https://iterativechaos.com/summary/16iwcpn.html

Note: OP = Poster = the person describing the problem.

Some key points:

1. Every person has a right to exit a romance at any time for any reason or no reason.
2. If the situation is exactly as the OP described in the Reddit post, then there is little to disagree with.
3. Even if the situation is not objectively as described; if the relationship is not working and the path to making it work is unclear, blocked, or too costly - leaving is good.
4. Critical Analysis
   1. People tend to see things 30% in their own favor.
   2. The post could have been written from a place of hurt and that could color the narrative.
   3. The poster may need support and affirmation to do what needs to be done, and that might lead them to color the narrative to ensure that they get the support they need.
   4. The poster talks about telling their partner about their needs, but does not mention asking about the partner's needs.
5. Possible Causes
   1. The situation is exactly as described. The partner is a narcissist. Exit post haste.
   2. The situation is mostly as described. The partner has problems, but so does the poster. The relationship is toxic, even if the partner is less completely to blame than presented. Exit because the relationship doesn't work, but vilifying the partner may be unwarranted.
   3. The partner has a reason for using those lights that is important to them. The partner is wounded and aggrieved, perhaps as much or more so than the poster. It still may be best to exit the relationship, but the poster may have problems finding a healthy relationship.
6. About the TwoX Response
   1. It could be helpful. If TwoX is meant to be a safe space where you don't get kicked when you're down and you get support when you need it to get through hard things, it did that admirably.
   2. It could be harmful. If TwoX is meant to help people grow and develop, being challenged is a necessary part of the process.
   3. It could be an echo chamber. If a collection of people coalesce around a set of ideas, they may be inclined to see the world in a particular way. This can lead to monoculture problems, such as being an enabler even while thinking you are being appropriately challenging.
   4. Do you need to be hugged, heard, or helped?
   5. When does support become indulgence? When does indulgence engender entitlement? How should indulgence echo chambers be identified and improved?

Oh Shit, Now What?

Suppose you find yourself in this situation:

 Oh shit, the libtards were right about global warming. Now what?

It doesn't have to be global warming, and it could be the Magas who turn out to be right about something. How do you handle that problem?

Make this a light-hearted, "So I married an axe murderer..." kind of thing.

LEOs

What are the ideal societal guardrails for behavior around LEOs? How do we recognize LEOs who are exceptional representatives of policing, and how do we "manage out" those who dishonor the badge?

Positivity About LEOs

I want people who are vocally critical of LEOs, whose identity is associated with seeking justice on behalf of those who believe they have been victimized by LEOs, to present cases where police officers have done good under difficult circumstances, especially above and beyond the call. I also want the stories of LEOs who were accused, and who may even be guilty, but who should be afforded the benefit of the doubt. I want to hear sympathy for the person who wears the badge, presented by people who are not naturally sympathetic.

Critical Evaluation of LEOs

I want people who are vocally supportive of LEOs, people whose identity is associated with seeking justice for LEOs, to present cases where police officers have done wrong when they had a clear opportunity to do right, especially when doing right would have been the easier thing. I also want to hear stories of LEOs who have benefited from the Blue Wall of Silence and are are guilty of crimes. I want to hear support for punishment of those who have dishonored the badge, presented by people who believe those cases are exceptionally rare.