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			AWS SES may be the solution: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/dg/lists-and-subscriptions.html

			No, it doesn't have nearly the capabilities of a real mailing list system.

			Mailchimp is out because it was bought for so much money that the money squeeze is going to be intense.

			Other commercial providers are not significantly less risky than Mailchimp.

			Mailman is robust once deployed and the initial build-out is not too painful.

	= Earlier Attempts =		= Earlier Attempts =

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			= Earlier Attempts =

			* [[MailingListDeadmanFirstPass]] (Deb 10, Mailman 3: installed Apache and Certbot before Mailman, which made it hard to deploy the Mailman web console)
			* [[MailingListDeadmanSecondPass]] (Deb 10, Mailman 3: had trouble getting the Snap/PIP/VirtualEnv version of Mailman to let me in as an administrator)
			* [[MailingListDeadmanThirdPass]] Deb 9, Mailman 2, had trouble getting the Mailman executables to execute as cgi's.
			* [[MailingListDeadmanFourthPass]]: Deb 10, Mailman 2. Repeatedly failed sendmail test (as have/would the others, though I was inconsistently testing)
			* [[MailingListDeadmanFifthPass]]: Frustrated. Using traxel.com's install of Mailman. Successful, if unsatisfying.
			* Sixth Pass: Deb 10, two instances, more relaxed exploration now that the traxel list is working.

			= Last (unsuccessful) Attempt =

	=== install ===		=== install ===

RobertBushman: Created page with " === install ===

 sudo apt install mailman

=== init list ===

 sudo newlist > roundtable

It tells me that I should put the following in aliases:

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New page

=== install ===

<pre>
sudo apt install mailman
</pre>

=== init list ===

<pre>
sudo newlist
> roundtable
</pre>

It tells me that I should put the following in aliases:

<pre>
## roundtable mailing list
roundtable: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post roundtable"
roundtable-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin roundtable"
roundtable-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces roundtable"
roundtable-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm roundtable"
roundtable-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join roundtable"
roundtable-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave roundtable"
roundtable-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner roundtable"
roundtable-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request roundtable"
roundtable-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe roundtable"
roundtable-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe roundtable"
</pre>

<pre>
Enter the name of the list: test
Enter the email of the person running the list: bob@traxel.com
Initial test password:
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## test mailing list
test: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post test"
test-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin test"
test-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test"
test-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test"
test-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join test"
test-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave test"
test-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner test"
test-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request test"
test-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe test"
test-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe test"
</pre>

== Version 2 Instructions for Mailman ==
* https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/pre-installation-guide.html

=== Install PIP ===
<pre>
sudo apt install python3-pip
</pre>

Lots of dependencies

=== Side Note: Django Command Reference ===

Run the dev webserver
<pre>
cd /path/to/project
sudo python manage.py runserver
</pre>

Pull all the static files to a single location (for serving via Apache, for example)
<pre>
python manage.py collectstatic
</pre>

=== Install Mailman3 Full Suite ===

Lots of dependencies here.

<pre>
sudo apt install mailman3-full
</pre>

== Webserver Install ==

<pre>
sudo apt install apache2
</pre>

=== Enable UWSGI, Link Mailman ===

Something Like
<pre>
sudo apt install libapache2-mod-uwsgi
sudo a2enmod proxy_uwsgi
sudo ln -s /etc/mailman3/apache.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/100-mailman.conf
sudo a2ensite 100-mailman
sudo service apache2 restart
</pre>

=== Add TLS/SSL ===

https://certbot.eff.org/instructions?ws=apache&os=debianbuster

==== Add Snapd ====

<pre>
sudo apt update
sudo apt install snapd
sudo snap install core
sudo snap refresh core
</pre>

==== Snap Install Certbot ====

<pre>
sudo snap install --classic certbot
sudo ln -s /snap/bin/certbot /usr/bin/certbot
</pre>

==== Get a Cert for Apache ====

<pre>
sudo certbot --apache -d deadmandao.com -d www.deadmandao.com
</pre>

Verified to here.

== Mailman Core Configuration ==

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html

= Short Term Solution =

Using interserver.systemicbias.com

<pre>
Enter the name of the list: crypto
Enter the email of the person running the list: bob@traxel.com
Initial crypto password:
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## crypto mailing list
crypto: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post crypto"
crypto-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin crypto"
crypto-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces crypto"
crypto-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm crypto"
crypto-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join crypto"
crypto-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave crypto"
crypto-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner crypto"
crypto-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request crypto"
crypto-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe crypto"
crypto-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe crypto"

</pre>

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