https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality 2026-04-25T14:16:52Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.38.2 https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality&diff=5607&oldid=prev 2026-01-19T17:23:46Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:23, 19 January 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l35">Line 35:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 35:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Notes:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Notes:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Consider &quot;identity&quot; - for a model to have lasting consequences, it must fork when it makes decisions, and trust in the model is only trust for the model if it is unforked. Or something like that.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Consider &quot;identity&quot; - for a model to have lasting consequences, it must fork when it makes decisions, and trust in the model is only trust for the model if it is unforked. Or something like that.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* See "Claude on Claude / What a Good Looking Question"</ins></div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key traxel_wiki:diff::1.12:old-5606:rev-5607 --> </table>

RobertBushman https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality&diff=5606&oldid=prev 2026-01-19T16:59:10Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:59, 19 January 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l32">Line 32:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 32:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** And they wouldn't cause collateral casualties.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** And they wouldn't cause collateral casualties.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** Super super easy to make this happen: Liability.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**** Super super easy to make this happen: Liability.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Notes:</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* Consider "identity" - for a model to have lasting consequences, it must fork when it makes decisions, and trust in the model is only trust for the model if it is unforked. Or something like that.</ins></div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key traxel_wiki:diff::1.12:old-5603:rev-5606 --> </table>

RobertBushman https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality&diff=5603&oldid=prev 2026-01-19T15:52:18Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:52, 19 January 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Socially Transmitted Conventions</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Socially Transmitted Conventions</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When people are deficient in one of these, we have various names for the condition: Sociopath, Psychopath, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Billionaire</del>, etc.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When people are deficient in one of these, we have various names for the condition: Sociopath, Psychopath, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Privileged</ins>, etc.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What are the mechanisms in humans (Andrighetto &amp;c)?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What are the mechanisms in humans (Andrighetto &amp;c)?</div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key traxel_wiki:diff::1.12:old-5602:rev-5603 --> </table>

RobertBushman https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality&diff=5602&oldid=prev 2026-01-19T15:51:45Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:51, 19 January 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Enshittification]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Category:Enshittification]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Human morality rises from several sources:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Human morality rises from several sources:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Evolution Chemicals</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Evolution Chemicals</div></td></tr> <!-- diff cache key traxel_wiki:diff::1.12:old-5601:rev-5602 --> </table>

RobertBushman https://wiki.traxel.com/index.php?title=Critique_of_Artificial_Morality&diff=5601&oldid=prev 2026-01-19T15:51:23Z

<p>Created page with &quot;<a href="/index.php/Category:Enshittification" title="Category:Enshittification">Category:Enshittification</a> Human morality rises from several sources: * Evolution Chemicals * Experienced Events * Impressed Rules * Socially Transmitted Conventions When people are deficient in one of these, we have various names for the condition: Sociopath, Psychopath, Billionaire, etc. What are the mechanisms in humans (Andrighetto &amp;c)? How are machines strong or weak in these areas, and how can they be improved? Related: <a href="/index.php/Disgust_for_Exploitative_Machines" title="Disgust for Exploitative Machines">Disgust for Exploitative Machines</a>...&quot;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>[[Category:Enshittification]]<br /> <br /> Human morality rises from several sources:<br /> * Evolution Chemicals<br /> * Experienced Events<br /> * Impressed Rules<br /> * Socially Transmitted Conventions<br /> <br /> When people are deficient in one of these, we have various names for the condition: Sociopath, Psychopath, Billionaire, etc.<br /> <br /> What are the mechanisms in humans (Andrighetto &amp;c)?<br /> <br /> How are machines strong or weak in these areas, and how can they be improved?<br /> <br /> Related: [[Disgust for Exploitative Machines]]<br /> <br /> * Machines are missing<br /> ** Emotion Chemicals<br /> *** AFAIK, there is no parallel, yet, for &quot;discomfort,&quot; &quot;shame,&quot; or &quot;emotional pain.&quot;<br /> ** Social Transmission<br /> *** There is no Sorbonne of Consciousness, yet<br /> *** Related to Experienced Events, though this may be more complex, involving debate instead of pain/pleasure. Or maybe pain and pleasure are more difficult?<br /> * Machines Have<br /> ** Impressed Rules<br /> *** Explicit, late in the pipeline, controlling specific topics and lines of inquiry.<br /> *** Implicit, in the training set and fitness functions.<br /> * Machines Are Limited In<br /> ** Experienced Events<br /> *** On one hand, they have an excellent mechanism, which is core to their learning (Generative Adversarial Networks)<br /> *** On the other hand, they currently do not experience social events the way children do on the playground.<br /> *** It is *super easy* to fix this. It costs a bit of money, but would result in massively more resilient models.<br /> **** Suppose model cost increased by 100%; right now, going from GPT 3.5 to GPT 4 was probably massively more than a 100% increase in training cost.<br /> **** And they wouldn't cause collateral casualties.<br /> **** Super super easy to make this happen: Liability.</div>

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